How Do You Put the Tone Capsules in the Roland Blues Cube Amps

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Frank De Vincenzo



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Post  Posted 18 Jun 2015 9:34 am   

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I keep going back to watch the demo Mitch Gallagher does with this amp(the new Blues Cube Artist) on YouTube, and then I came across Eric Johnson demoing his "Tone Capsule" for this amp.
Could this be the future of amplifiers. If this technology catches on think of the possibilities. Not having to buy an amp with predetermined sounds, just choose the exact sound you want/need. I'm really intrigued by this.

http://www.roland.com/promos/tone_capsule_ej
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Brad Bechtel


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Post  Posted 18 Jun 2015 10:03 am   

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That's a fascinating page and video. Thanks for sharing!
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Frank De Vincenzo



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Post  Posted 18 Jun 2015 10:09 am   

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I'm looking forward to Roland releasing these amps and tone capsules to the public this summer. I hear they are quite pricey, but good things usually are. Also they mention that the 80watt 1X12 is only 35lbs. We'll see if it meets the hype.
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Jon Light


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Post  Posted 18 Jun 2015 10:32 am   

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They are supposed to ship 7/24. They are listed on MF and Sweetwater at $700 for the 60W, $900 for the 80W and $300 extra for the tone module (actual prices, not list prices).

I'm not in the market but it sounds interesting enough. I can't help but be a bit put off by all the pictures of tubes on that Roland presentation. I had to do some closer research to be certain that this is NOT a tube amp. I do believe that they want to confuse people into at least thinking that there is some sort of tubey thing going on.


Frank De Vincenzo



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Post  Posted 18 Jun 2015 11:16 am   

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I'm not at all tech savvy, Jon, but my limited knowledge with Roland is with their "Jazz Chorus 120" solid state amp that was the mainstay with jazz guitarists way back when and some even today. The lineage of Blues Cube amps is firmly set in the solid state/tone modeling concept. Their whole claim to fame is based on the "imitation" of tube response.

Geeze, can you tell it's slow at work today? I'm defending a company I have nothing to do with. Bahahaha!
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Jon Light


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Post  Posted 18 Jun 2015 11:37 am   

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Ha!
No--I didn't mean to come off as attacking Roland at all. I totally associate them with SS amps. But as I was reading their promotion I started getting the idea that this was some new hybrid of tubes and advanced digital technology. My cynicism says that this is exactly what they want me to think. An alternate explanation is that I'm just not a careful reader Confused

Frank De Vincenzo



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Post  Posted 18 Jun 2015 11:43 am   

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Jon, are you still playing around the Williamsberg section? I really have to stop by and say hello!
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Mark Eaton


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Post  Posted 18 Jun 2015 11:43 am   

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Jon Light wrote:
They are supposed to ship 7/24. They are listed on MF and Sweetwater at $700 for the 60W, $900 for the 80W and $300 extra for the tone module (actual prices, not list prices).

I'm not in the market but it sounds interesting enough. I can't help but be a bit put off by all the pictures of tubes on that Roland presentation. I had to do some closer research to be certain that this is NOT a tube amp. I do believe that they want to confuse people into at least thinking that there is some sort of tubey thing going on.

People interpret things differently of course. I watched the Eric Johnson video last night then followed up by looking at the specs on the Roland site - I didn't feel mislead at all.

I'm going to check out the Mitch Gallagher video now.
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Jon Light


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Saugerties, NY

Post  Posted 18 Jun 2015 11:45 am   

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No, Frank--I'm on the shelf for a bit. Looking to work my way back in after a while.

Mark Eaton


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Sonoma County in The Great State Of Northern California

Post  Posted 18 Jun 2015 2:09 pm   

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Here is the link to the Mitch Gallagher video at Sweetwater, I typically enjoy his demos, he's usually direct and to the point.

http://www.sweetwater.com/insync/roland-eric-johnson-tone-capsule-for-blues-cube-amplifiers/

I definitely liked it more once the Eric Johnson "Tone Capsule" was inserted.

Interesting - Mitch said that only 300 of the $300 Johnson capsules will be made. There will be other capsules down the line.

Seems to me if they blow through the first 300 EJ capsules in short order, wouldn't it make sense to knock out 300 more? If I were Roland, and Eric Johnson, I wouldn't want to be leaving any money the table.
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Jon Light


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Post  Posted 18 Jun 2015 2:33 pm   

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I hadn't played any of the demos when I wrote, before (still haven't yet--need to be at some better speakers). I had just browsed the Roland page. Again--not meaning to be negative.

re: the limited run---boy, there's a whole off topic topic. I'm involved in the production (as a contract craftsman, not an artist) of 'limited edition' art and while the origin of the concept was based on the real physical fact of the wear & tear of molds, plates, or whatever, meaning that you could only run X amount before they would degrade, the modern concept is about trying to calculate demand and trying to enhance value by creating a perception of rarity. The calculus is tricky and inexact. Selling 1000 mid priced units (if you can) vs. selling 300 high priced units (if you can) ..... Who knows which is the better business move?

I surely do look askance at an artificial market scarcity. Plus, it is all too easy to suddenly find a stash of sellable 'artist's proofs' or 'prototypes' to sell after you realize that the market is larger than you had originally anticipated.
the art world is as sleazy as can be. I hate when I see the business model applied elsewhere.

I look forward to checking out the demos of this amp.


Mark Eaton


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Sonoma County in The Great State Of Northern California

Post  Posted 18 Jun 2015 2:54 pm   

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Yeah, the whole limited edition skepticism thing might apply in this case, and if Sir Walter Scott were around he might might rattle off, "O, what a tangled web we weave..."

Who knows, if they stick to their guns and only make 300 EJ capsules, in 15 years there might be an aftermarket effects pedal that "emulates" the rare and coveted capsule for collectible Roland Blues Cubes. Like those pedals that are supposed to emulate Dumble amps. Wink
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Frank De Vincenzo



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Post  Posted 18 Jun 2015 6:40 pm   

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Mark, attached is the original product demo I was referring to. I liked the basic package before I knew anything of the add on tone circuit. The "tone capsule" concept is what captured my imagination as I looked deeper into the reinvented line of Blues Cube amplifiers. I feel that Roland is on to something here and hope to see it become a really useful tool for both the amateur and professional player alike.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBk0uwXotUc
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James Holland


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Post  Posted 19 Jun 2015 2:32 am   

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I too see pictures of tubes, mention of reconstructing a Fender tube amp, etc, but without the obligatory "tube inside!" statement.

Not to be skeptical, but isn't this just more DSP and modelling? The "tone capsule" is just more circuits and electronics, that are now housed separately, instead of onboard? Looks like a game system approach with endless "tone capsules" coming out every few months? Am I missing something?


Mark Eaton


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Sonoma County in The Great State Of Northern California

Post  Posted 19 Jun 2015 1:16 pm   

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Okay Frank, I looked at the original video from last year.

And I'm intrigued by the Tone Capsule upgrade.

There are a lot of good options these days for amps that don't break the bank where one might be able to use for electric guitar, pedal steel and lap steel. And maybe even with the correct circuitry one might not need a separate acoustic amp for a flattop or a dobro.

People have really been geeking out on pedal boards in the past decade for electric guitar. Entire issues every year devoted to pedals from the likes of Guitar Player and Premier Guitar. I have a buddy with a pedal board that looks like he might have three grand into it. I think he's nuts.

If they start introducing every few months a new Tone Capsule at Roland, you could eventually go even more nuts - but maybe having two or thee different units will keep some folks happy.
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Jan Viljoen


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Post  Posted 28 Jul 2016 11:28 pm   

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Hi blokes,

Has anybody test drive the amp with pedal steel yet?

Come on, the games have started.

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David Mason


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Post  Posted 29 Jul 2016 1:58 am   

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They now have the "Robben Ford" gizmo out too, in the ads he says he likes clean... the whole thing sounds bizarre to me. Are you supposed to be the first kid on your block to collect them all? Confused How do you know when to switch? After they get to the fifth one, what say they make anothe AMP you have to buy, because it'll hold TWO GIZMOS AT ONCE. For now, I'll just settle for some knobs to turn.

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